For real guys, we need a better way to debate, propose and vote on de-federation.

They only reason I started using hotels again is because my fiance gets good deals and they usually upgrade us because she works in the industry 🙂

My problem is that people talk as if these are the only options.

There are other services, like VRBO, that do the same thing and usually have the same properties. AirBNB is garbage now, so just use an alternative that doesn't have the same bad policies and high fees.

I have supported Discord with a nitro subscription for as long as I've had an account. It's a terrific program and there's no reason to expect premium features for nothing in return. The mentality that everything should be free is why we have so many fucking ad driven online business models and I'm over it. I pay for what I use if it's a good service.

Just look at the ratio on this post for a gold confirmation of those numbers. 300+ comments and 1400+ upvotes. That a decent interaction ratio.

Even just upvoting is still participation as well. Wiki is different.

Wikipedia is a different concept though.

This is social media. Wiki is information. I come here to share thoughts, but I only go to wiki to find data.

Almost everyone on social media posts random bullshit. That's why there are tons and tons of comments on every post.

Things like reddit and Lemmy probably have at least 50% participation from their daily active users.

Yeah I'm having a hard time understanding this entire thread. Like... Is everyone here completely baked?

We touch our belts and then we wash our hands. Just like we touch our dicks AND THEN WE WASH OUR HANDS.

y'all are acting like I should be washing my dick too.

No, there's no indication that Meta cares about the Fediverse.

This is all just a bunch of hype. Yes, of course we'll defederate if they try. I think that's fairly obvious.

Uh, we need participation from everyone in order for the fediverse to have legitimacy. We unfortunately need those cringe users if we want large scale adoption. Without it everything stays small scale, developers aren't attracted to the concept and people leave for functioning alternatives.

There's a 90% probability that Threads takes over from the failing Twitter. Nothing will change. No one will learn anything. More of everyone's data will be stollen.

It's easy to missjudge how much of our society are just mindless drones.

I still have a 8700K and haven't really had the need to upgrade in a while. I'll never buy a processor with something like this in it. If Microsoft forces it in new CPUs, I'm pretty sure I can make it the rest of my life with current hardware.

Someone's made unfounded connections between the two things. Most of that stuff has nothing to do with the rate changes.

Most of what is in this graphic is just speculation. I'm not sure why it's being upvoted so much.

Oh yeah, I forgot, all the reddit users are here now is why.

I think that eventually there will be primary communities that get settled for major topics.

I don't think we're using Lemmy correctly right now, and there's a shift in mindset that needs to happen before Lemmy really becomes great. People need to realize that smaller instances built around specific topics will be better than massive ones trying to span every topic.

The difference between .17 and .18 is pretty substantial. Lemmy.world neglected to update to .18 because captcha support was not working for new account signups, so they waited for v0.18.1

https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-23_-_Lemmy_Release_v0.18.0

There should be substantial performance improvements because it moves Lemmy from using websocket to HTTP API.

There are lots of other fixes and things, but that is the most substantial change.

Thanks for blocking that instance.

I tried to explain to their admin why the entire concept was bad for the fediverse but they didn't seem to understand.

People can do whatever they want with their instances, but something like that should defederate themselves and live in a void.

That isn't the way to try and build content or community over here. We have the high ground. We don't need to stoop down to their level.

Twitter is still here as well, without much moderation.

The platforms survive. Interactions just get a lot worse. But most people still refuse to leave.

I don't want to be a part of that system anymore, which is why I'm here even though I don't necessarily believe this form of federation social network is designed very well.

The thing with the Fediverse is that things like this aren't really possible. The creators of Lemmy are pretty anti-capitalist, so the source-code won't ever support ads.

An instance admin could try to modify it to incude Ad Sense, but the users would just reject that instance and move to a free one.

I personally wouldn't mind premium features, like animated emotes and stuff for people that pay for monthly subscriptions, but again, things like that don't work in the fediverse because they won't be supported on every instance.

Maybe there will be some creative solutions that get made, but it's highly unlikely due to how things are setup.

I couldn't have said it better.

I haven't seen that much of a problem on Lemmy.ml, so I think you really have to dig down into it to find the dirt. I think some people have a problem with the admins political views, so they try to smear them any chance they can. But those same admin made lemmygrad as a place to kinda keep all that stuff separate from the main instance.

Sure, it seeps over sometimes, but the bulk of the content on lemmy.ml is just standard shit. Reddit was no different. Most subreddits were normal and there were a few ones that were full of imbalanced idiots. That didn't make people leave the site completely. We just didn't sub to the subreddits we didn't like. In a similar vein, just block the communities here that you don't want to see.

As far as the "too many communities" discussion goes... we're never going to win that battle. The majority of people out there aren't willing to make the change to the fediverse because of this one issue. Most likely a true Reddit alternative will be made and most normies will move there in time.

It's great that Lemmy has gained some popularity, but there are too many issues here for it ever to become as big as something like Reddit.