Israel and Palestine Politics Discussion
I’ve yearned for a venue where we could speak openly about what’s happening in one of the world’s most contentious regions. My background is German, so you can probably anticipate where the topic ends up when I bring up Israeli politics. That has gotten old for me, and I won’t put up with it in any of the conversations going on here. My people committed terrible crimes, and ever since then, we have been working to make amends. I’ve already seen a description of the Holocaust on Wikipedia that, depending on how you define it, could relate to the deaths of anywhere between 2 million and 30 million people. Never in my life will I debate about math. It doesn’t matter to me if it was 100 or 100 million. It was wrong to murder people, and it shouldn’t happen again anywhere. Story over. This community must continue to be a place for open discussions; however, I would prefer not to intervene harshly in any conversations that get improper. Unlike the Palestine community on Lemmygrad, this community is different. I won’t favor one side over the others. I like having spirited talks, which is why I started this community. Such talks ought to be educational rather than propagandistic or meant to belittle. I hope to learn more about the situation and hope others do as well. I expect heated discussions. After all, it wouldn’t be a proper Irish wedding without a small brawl or two. As long as the participants can agree afterward that the choice of whiskey was good, and a good time was had by all. When posting an item, please utilize a paragraph or two from the article rather than simply the headline to persuade readers to read the entire thing.
www.telegraph.co.uk
I don't agree with this article. Someone is making the accusation that the BBC is anti-Semitic, in a place not suited to that discussion. Here's a place designed for that discussion, so anyone who's interested can have it here instead.
www.queermajority.com
> > > Imposing Western identity politics onto the Middle East is a formula for moral insanity. > > > > > [Islamic homophobia](https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/islamic-homophobia-is-empowered-by-leftist-silence) is an issue that goes beyond terrorist groups like Hamas. While the Quran’s language regarding homosexual and bisexual behavior is somewhat ambiguous, the hadith, the canonical sayings and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad, contain [many](https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:1456) [straightforward](https://sunnah.com/abudawud:4463) [prohibitions](https://amrayn.com/ibnmajah/20/2563). In practice, this results in the persecution of LGBT people in both [official](https://features.hrw.org/features/features/lgbt_laws) and [extrajudicial](https://www.hrw.org/report/2022/03/23/everyone-wants-me-dead/killings-abductions-torture-and-sexual-violence-against) ways throughout the Muslim world. LGBT Palestinians face [extreme ostracism](https://www.globalgayz.com/gay-palestine-and-israel-stories-from-the-land-of-milk-and-agony-israeli-and-palestinian-gays/294), sometimes [fleeing as refugees](https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-to-allow-lgbt-palestinians-granted-asylum-to-work) or even being [kidnapped and beheaded](https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-719063). The authorities also [ban](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/world/middleeast/palestinian-gay-tansgender-rights-group.html) the activities of LGBT rights groups. And it isn’t just LGBT Palestinians being oppressed by Hamas in Gaza. Institutional sexism is also part and parcel of Sharia Law. Human rights researchers rank the Palestinian territories among the [worst places](https://giwps.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/WPS-Index-2021-Summary.pdf) in the world to be a woman. For Western activists ostensibly concerned about the oppression of marginalized groups to effectively support the continued rule of Hamas over Gaza (to the point that they would even deny Israel the right to self-defense against the terrorist organization) is hypocritical in the extreme. > > [Archive](https://web.archive.org/web/20240905155915/https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/british-imperialism-didnt-cause-palestinian-homophobia)
www.theguardian.com
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20051547 > by Arwa Mahdawi > > Fri 6 Sep 2024 06.07 EDT >
www.commondreams.org
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/19853836 > by Jake Johnson > > Aug 30, 2024
www.memri.org
> > > Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas Prays For The Soul Of 'Martyr' Ismail Haniyeh In Turkish Parliament Speech, Adds: We Are Implementing Shari'a Law – Victory Or Martyrdom; America Is The Plague And The Plague Is America; The Palestinian Leader > > [archived](https://web.archive.org/web/20240816202407/https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinian-authority-president-abbas-turkish-parliament-prays-soul-martyr-hamas-leader-haniyeh)   
unicornriot.ninja
> RSS was founded in the 1920s, taking direct inspiration from the original Nazi party in Germany (NSDAP), and today considers Israel as the ideal model ethnostate to achieve in India. The growing ideological, economic, and political alliance between India’s ruling class and Israel has culminated in the Indian state becoming the top purchaser of Israeli weaponry. And especially since the current Prime Minister of India came into power, the escalation of state violence and patterns of occupation and militarization — targeting Kashmiris, Muslims, Sikhs, Dalits, and Adivasis — has been modeled on the Zionist settler-colonial regime. > > Zionism and Hindutva are two ethno-nationalist ideologies which are related to Nazi fascism. Both have found a home in the Euro-settler societies of the imperial core. > > Recent incidents in academic spaces highlight how the RSS’ efforts to spread Hindu supremacist ideology within the U.S. imitate the overall strategy successfully utilized by Israel’s political advocates for decades. To dismiss and denounce anyone critical of Hindutva, RSS elements have begun to deploy the term “hinduphobia,” emulating the Zionist playbook of accusing anti-Zionists of being “anti-semitic.”
www.haaretz.com
Haaretz confirming reports and photos around the use of the Hannibal Directive on October 7th.
Israel and Palestine Politics Discussion
!israel_palestine_pol@lemmy.worldThe sole purpose of this community is to discuss Israeli and Palestinian issues. It is not the place for hurling insults, rehashing grudges, or making up history. Any conversation that veers into the "if only your people had" realm will be deleted or locked right away. I started this community in the potentially fruitless hope that we may have a civil conversation about this issue.
Rules:
- References to historical events must include a reputable source. The definition of reputable is up to the mods. Keep that in mind.
- Articles from reputable sources only.
- No name-calling. That's what DMs are for. /s
- Keep it in English. If I don't understand the word, it gets removed. Obvious exceptions would be the use of proper names and references. For example, "wadi" when used to refer to a place is acceptable.
- Discussions that are heading into the probability of becoming a flame war will be locked.
- Repeat offenders will be forced to find another community.
- Anti-Zionism is ok. Anti-Semitism is not.
- Whataboutism is for toddlers. Try to grow up.
- Posting articles about current events is encouraged. Posting the same story from 20 different sources is not.
- Posting an article purely for the purpose of saying "Look what monsters they are" is discouraged unless it can generate an honest discussion. This is probably the most difficult rule to follow.
- No calling anyone a terrorist.
- No YouTube links. Some of us can read.